Wednesday, July 6, 2016

The Ignorance of Converted2Islam : did Muhammad Rape Saffiyah?

(English isn't my first language so I might make grammatical mistakes)

Converted2Islam, is a new rising ex-muslim, who claimed to have been studying islam for well over 16 years, he has been gaining wide popularity, and his videos for some odd reason are being shared and mirrored in youtube, although his allegations and accusations are merely the same old repeated nonsense, it’s imperative to address his claims as of his popularity and wide support is critical to be addressed, without such popularity I wouldn’t be making this article as his claims are merely the same repeated rambling with nothing groundbreaking
with this simple introduction let us proceed


@1:29 of his video he claimed that one of the reasons why Muhammad married her is because she was sexually attractive, Converted2Islam still cited no sources no references at all

@1:43 Converted2Islam cited Sahih Bukhari
We arrived at Khaibar, and when Allah helped His Apostle to open the fort, the beauty of Safiya bint Huyai bin Akhtaq whose husband had been killed while she was a bride, was mentioned to Allah's Apostle. The Prophet selected her for himself and set out with her, and when we reached a place called Sidd-as-Sahba,' Safiya became clean from her menses then Allah's Messenger married her. Hais (i.e. an 'Arabian dish) was prepared on a small leather mat. Then the Prophet said to me, "I invite the people around you." So that was the marriage banquet of the Prophet and Safiya. Then we proceeded towards Medina, and I saw the Prophet, making for her a kind of cushion with his cloak behind him (on his camel). He then sat beside his camel and put his knee for Safiya to put her foot on, in order to ride (on the camel).1

He seems to be insinuating that is that Muhammad didn’t give Saffiyah any choice regarding her marriage and he married her for her sexual attraction, there is not a single Islamic source that confirms that her sexual attraction was the reason for his marriage to her, however I shall provide sources for now that clearly state Muhammad gave her the option of retaining her religion and setting her free and going back to her tribe

عن إبراهيم بن جعفر عن أبيه قال لما دخلتْ صفيَّةُ على النَّبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال لها لم يزل أبوك من أشد يهود لي عداوة حتى قتله الله فقالت يا رسول الله إن الله يقول في كتابه ولا تزر وازرة وزر أخرى الأنعام/ 164 ، فقال لها رسول الله اختاري ، فإن اخترتِ الإسلام أمسكتُكِ لنفسي ، وإن اخترت اليهودية فعسى أن أعتقك فتلحقي بقومك ، فقالت يا رسول الله لقد هويت الإسلام وصدقت بك قبل أن تدعوني ، حيث صرت إلى رحلك وما لي في اليهودية أرب ، وما لي فيها والد ولا أخ ، وخيَّرتني الكفرَ والإسلامَ ، فالله ورسوله أحب إلي من العتق وأن أرجع إلى قومي ، قالفأمسكها رسول الله لنفسه .

From Ibrahim Bin Ja’far from his father said: when Saffiyah entered the prophet he said to her (your father still one of the most hostile Jews to me until god finished him) she said: Oh messenger of Allah, God says in his book {no one will take anyone else burden] , then he said to her: chose, if you chose islam I take you for myself, and if you chose Judaism I will set you free and send you back to your people, she replied: messenger of god I chose islam and testify for you even before you give me this invitation when I came to you, I have no guardian among the Jews, neither father nor brother and I choose islam over disbelief, allah and his messenger are dear to me than freedom and my people. So Allah messenger took her 2

keep this in mind whenever we hear Converted2Islam claim she was forced into marrying him


@3:00 Converted2islam cited here the alleged narration that Muhammad tortured the husband of Saffiyah Kinana, I already dived into this issue so I will leave a link to my article addressing it3, however, Brother Kaleef already dived into this issue as well so make sure to read his work aswell4
however, I want to point into one part of the narration cited by converted2islam in Ibn Ishaq, where one of the narrators at @3:23 is Burayda b. Sufyan al-Aslami, the issue here is that this narrator is regarded as weak ضعيف الحديث 5

so right off the bat, Converted2Islam cited a narration within the Biography and didn’t bother to check the sanad? And this man claimed to have studied Islam for 16 years?
The majority of the scholars rejected him
أبو حاتم الرازي :ضعيف الحديث
أحمد أبن حنبلله بلية
أحمد بن شعيب النسائيليس بقوي
أبراهيم بن يعقوب الجوزاجيرديء المذهب جدأ و غير مقنعمغموص عليه في دينه
أبن حجر العسقلانيليس بالقوي و فيه رفض و قال في الأصابة :تابعي مشهور مضعف عندهم
الذهبيفيه نظر

محمد بن اسماعيل البخاريفيه نظر يتكلمون فيه

Abu Hatim al razi: weak in hadith
Ahmen Ibn Hanbal : he is a misfortune
Ahmen bin sha’ib Al-Nisai: he is not strong
Ibrahim bin Ya’qub Al-Juzi: very bad in practicing doctrine and not convincing, he is hated in his religion
Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani: he is not strong, and he is rejected, he also said in al-isaba: the followers declared him famous in weakness
Al-Darqandi: he is to be rejected
Al-Dahabi: there is doubt in him
Muhammad bin Isma’il Al-Bukhari: there is doubt in him and they talk about him 6

he also has been reported to be drinking alcohol
أخبرني من رأى—يعني ابن اسحاق—بريدة بن سفيان يشرب الخمر
I was told from who saw him—in reference to ibn ishaq—Burayda b. Sufyan Drinks alcohol 7

and if that doesn’t add insult to injury we actually have an unknown narrator, in page 514 of the Biography of the prophet regarding this incident

Highlighted in yellow is an unknown narrator from banu Salima, and as I explored in my blog, how an unknown narrator is not accepted 8

so far we have two flaws in the narration brought forth by Converted2Islam, this man claim to have been studying Islam for 16 years, how could he miss on such basic error?


@5:32 Converted2Islam cites Sunan Abi Dawood that states the following:
(The Prophet fought with the people of Khaybar, and captured their palm-trees and land, and forced them to remain confined to their fortresses. So they concluded a treaty of peace providing that gold, silver, and weapons would go to the Messenger of Allah, and whatever they took away on their camels would belong to them, on condition that they would not hide and carry away anything. If they did (so), there would be no protection for them and no treaty (with Muslims).
They carried away a purse of Huyayy ibn Akhtab who was killed before (the battle of) Khaybar. He took away the ornaments of Banu an-Nadir when they were expelled.
The Prophet asked Sa'yah: Where is the purse of Huyayy ibn Akhtab?
He replied: The contents of this purse were spent on battles and other expenses. (Later on) they found the purse. So he killed Ibn AbulHuqayq, captured their women and children, and intended to deport them.
They said: Muhammad, leave us to work on this land; we shall have half (of the produce) as you wish, and you will have half. The Messenger of Allah used to make a contribution of eighty wasqs of dates and twenty wasqs of wheat to each of his wives.)9

@5:58 Converted2Islam state and I quote “and according to the webpage this same hadith is classified as authentic or Hasan according to hadith scholar al-Albani” this is unbelievable, the screen-shots shared Explicitly state Hasan in Chain, Not Hasan Hadith
I have already dived into the issue of Hasan in chain only or Sahih in the chain only so I’ll leave a link to my blog10 under Issue#7 where I give detail analysis as to why Sahih in Chain or Hasan in Chain are not authentic


Converted2Islam cites @6:23 History of Al-Tabari Vol.39 page.185
Ibn ‘Umar [al-Waqidi] – Kathir b. Zayd – al-Walid b. Rabah – Abu Hurayrah: While the Prophet was lying with Safiyyah Abu Ayyub stayed the night at his door. When he saw the Prophet in the morning he said: "God is the Greatest." He had a sword with him; he said to the Prophet, "O Messenger of God, this young woman had just been married, and you killed her father, her brother and her husband, so I did not trust her (not to harm) you." The Prophet laughed and said "Good"

as you can see I have underlined a name, particularly al-Waqidi, this is one of the main reasons why I decided to make this article, as al-Waqidi is one of if not THE most famous hadith fabricator in Islamic history, in fact, there is a complete Wikipedia page in Arabic dedicated to him and how scholars rejected him11
I have already cited him in one of my blogs, but since I want to emphasize how much of a liar he is, I will quote what great classical scholars said regarding him
“Ahmed Ibn Hanbal said: He is a liar he makes random hadiths, he brings the Hadith of the Son of Ibn Al-Zuhri on Muammar and so on
And Ibn Mu’in said: he is not trustworthy
And Mura said: His hadith should not be written
And Bukḫari and Abu Hatim said: he should be left
And Abu Hatim also said along with Al-Nisai: he put random hadiths”12

so right of the bat, we are starting with a narration that starts with the biggest and the most rejected liar in Islamic history, who many scholars contempt him and regarded him as not trustworthy, how could a supposed convert who studied Islam for 16 years make such hideous blunder?


@7:16 Converted2Islam cites Dalail Al Nibua Vol.4 Page.240 he quotes “I hated the messenger of Allah more than any of the people, he had killed my husband and my father, therefore, he kept apologizing to me”, my issue here is not withered or not this narration is authentic, my issue is the fact that Converted2Islam was so dishonest so disingenuous that he didn’t complete the quote where Muhammad explain why he killed her father and her husband as it states the following

أن أباك ألب علي العربو فعل و فعل حتى ذهب ذلك من نفسي"
“Your father charged the Arabs against me and did such and such to me until all HATRED WAS GONE FROM ME” her father instigated the Arabs against Muhammad
for more details regarding the incident and what her father was responsible for please read the following article 13

@9:05 Converted2Islam stated that Saffiyah had sex with Muhammad, I’m honestly also in shock as to how can he make up such lie, where does the tradition state that she had sexual intercourse with Muhammad? I challenge anyone to show me where does the hadith tradition or the biography with Authentic narration state that Muhammad had sexual intercourse with Safiya at the day he captured her

A challenge to Converted2Islam:

I challenge anyone to show me where does the hadith, let alone the Islamic tradition claim that Muhammad had sexual intercourse with Safiya at the day he captured her, this is not just an open challenge to converted2islam, this is an open challenge to anyone
The narration Must be authentic

2 Tabaqat Kubra by Ibn Sa’ad vol 8 page 123
6 Ibid section : الجرح و العدالة
7 Al-Kamil Fi Du’afa Al-Rijal Suhail Zakar invastigation vol 6 page.61
9  Sunan Abi Dawud 3006
12  Mezan Al-I’tidal Fi Naqid Al-Rijal By Imam Al-Dahabi Vol(6) Page.273 Dar Al-Kutob Al-ilmia Edition


  1. Wow, this explains everything, there should be more websites like these to remove ignorance from people

    1. Really? I didn't feel it explained anything. I don't see an actual argument, just a disagreement in interpretation. The impression I got was that the author doesn't want his religion to clash with his morality, so reads it in a way that doesn't cause discomfort. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, just my take on it.

    2. Hi raven
      "I don't see an actual argument, just a disagreement in interpretation."
      That is a strawman, there is no interpretation here, at no point did I provided a different interpretation, all what I did is check the sanad and the authentication of the stories according to traditional islam
      "The impression I got was that the author doesn't want his religion to clash with his morality,"
      At no point did I even mentioned morality at all
      Only at the end in issue 5 where I cited how convert2islam misquoted the narration

    3. "at no point did I provided a different interpretation"

      So you don't disagree with converted?

      "At no point did I even mentioned morality at all "

      This was a comment on my impression reading your post.

    4. I do disagree, because he thinks muhammad did this and that, but according to islamic tradition has didn't

    5. You're saying it isn't islamic tradition that Muhammad attacked Khaybar, defeated them, took their treasure, enslaved the women and children, and took Saffiyah for his wife?

    6. this should cover it up for you

    7. I already read that. So you're happy that according to the religious tradition this did occur? In that case I'm not sure what you have against converted's video other than you think he made it sound like something bad and that's (per the link) what you object to.

    8. happy? what do you mean?
      my main issue is that he
      1-cited a weak narration
      2-cited a hadith that is regarded as hasan only presuming it's authentic when it's not
      3-cited another weak narration
      4-misquoted a narration to make muhammad look bad

  2. this person is not "ignorant" he knows exactly what hes doing. this man supposedly studied islam for 16 years and made all these mistakes? i heard that he got into a scandal which is why he is not muslim any more but im not sure.

    1. "this man supposedly studied islam for 16 years and made all these mistakes?"
      i wouldn't bet that he studied islam that long, how could someone studying islam for that period and had such gross errors in such a primitive video?
      the scandal i think is that he got kicked out of the mosque he was in

      so yes i will consider him ignorant

  3. Why does Ibn Hisham mentions that "torture" part in his book if its false? He says in the foreword that he did not write the inauthentic and disturbing narrations he found in Ibn Ishak's work. Obviously he saw no problem in that torture story. Muslims reject any narration that disturbs them.

    1. you seam to be incredibly ignorant and suffers cognitive dissonance , muslims don't rejected narrations if it disturbs them, at least sunni muslims, they reject it if it was weak, these false narration exist as a trasmition of knowldge, even al tabari as he stated:
      "Let him who examines this book of mine know that I have relied, as regards everything I mention therein which I stipulate to be described by me, solely upon what has been transmitted to me by way of reports which I cite therein and traditions which I ascribe to their narrators, to the exclusion of what may be apprehended by rational argument or deduced by the human mind, except in very few cases. This is because knowledge of the reports of men of the past and of contemporaneous views of men of the present do not reach the one who has not witnessed them nor lived in their times except through the accounts of reporters and the transmission of transmitters, to the exclusion of rational deduction and mental inference. Hence, if I mention in this book a report about some men of the past, which the reader of listener finds objectionable or worthy of censure because he can see no aspect of truth nor any factual substance therein, let him know that this is not to be attributed to us but to those who transmitted it to us and we have merely passed this on as it has been passed on to us"

  4. I'm a muslim convert and it was clear when I read the Bible and the Quran entirely and was sincere and open minded what the truth is, I thank Allah for guiding me to this deen. This guy Converted2Islam was fired from his mosque so you can see the grudge he has, this guy claimed he talked to an angel in his home and was Sufi for a short while and rejected all hadiths, so technically he was never muslim. This guy left Islam roughly about 3 years ago, I don't know why he carried on pretending he's a Muslim for this long, he's got a second Facebook page and openly talks about rejecting Islam etc for months and that people should worship Jesus as God LOL! he's also a Hadith rejector so no surprise he left Islam, his family are still Christian I'm gonna assume they convinced him to return back as he's always talking about worshipping Jesus on his Facebook page, all the Hadith he quoted are NON authentic and rejected by the fast majority of scholars because they contract the Quran and other authentic Hadiths, I'm sure He knows this, questions is why is he spreading lies and falsehood? he is just spewing the same racist and prejudice things that they have all been doing all these regurgitaed claims have been debunked by converts like Yusuf Estes, Sheikh Shady, Hamza Yusuf, etc, if you want to learn real islam you can learn it from those guys, not someone who claimed he talks to an Angel LOL He wont tell you he worships Jesus because if we start talking about the Bible, he will cry like a little baby when we pick it apart LOL

    1. Slaam brother, how do you know he got fired from his mosque?

  5. hey could u do a blog about the death of the prophet? people would say that he was a false prophet because it says in the quran that if muhammad fabritcated a saying against us then we would cut off his aorta and there is a supposed hadith that says that he died from poising and he felt that his aorta is being cut off. so could u explain this since youre pretty good at htis kind of stuff?

    1. Are you thinking of the Shia belief that Aisha poisoned him?

    2. no, as I'm not an expert in shia doctrine, but i doubt that it's authentic, nor will anti muslim polemicists will cite it

    3. Brother,the 'muhammad died of poisoning' argument has been refuted on answering christianity multiple times.

    4. i'm not sure why you are saying this to me

  6. hei when will you make your next article about the masked arab fans? im sure it will be funny seeing their frustrated that their idol have been humiliated LOL

    1. I'm waiting for converted2islam for his next video, i might turn away from him and go back to the masked arab for possible one last reply, then I will make an article about the masked arab fans who made 3 reddit forums about me making all type of nonsense and insults, I'll address them when time is needed after I'm finished with the masked arab

    2. i saw his reddit. a person by the username of sceptical77 told the masked arab that there was a blog that refuted him. the masked arab replied by saying that you "strawmaned him" and said that u "were cenosring people who refuted u"

      are u gonna respond to him? heres the link to the sub reddit

    3. First accusation, where did I strawmaned him?
      Censor people who refute you? This is empirically false, as you can see no one yet was able to refute me, and so far I allow any comment that question my article in a civilised manner

      Insults and mockery are not allowed, i received a comment few hours ago stating that Muslims suffer cognitive dissonance, tell me what is the point of allowing it?

      Why would I respond to his only comment? I already did in 4 articles to his videos

      Even the masked arab admitted that I censors people who just insult me

      He is just desperate

    4. But I want to thank you for the link, I'm going to use it as a source for my article a dressing his fans on reddit forums

  7. the masked arab made a video about islam and isis, can you please issue a rebuttal?

    1. Why? His arguments are not groundbreaking, you can easily look them up
      Plus im not at home now im away from my laptop for 5 days so i can`t make a reply even if i wanted to
      i only reply if a video makes a huge impact and contain a controversial issue

      Are you having truobles with him?

    2. Why? His arguments are not groundbreaking, you can easily look them up
      Plus im not at home now im away from my laptop for 5 days so i can`t make a reply even if i wanted to
      i only reply if a video makes a huge impact and contain a controversial issue

      Are you having truobles with him?

    3. The video is getting really popular fast and hes getting a carp load of subs. u should respond before the cancer spreads further

    4. Like i said im not at home so i cant reply even if i wanted to, im far from my laptob secound the video is not that pubular I'll have to consult my privet apologist group thord of all no its not controversial

  8. when are you gonna address the polemics raised by his acolytes in reddit against u?

    1. Reddit is like 4chan, a platform for trolls as i was told by a fellow muslim brother, i was recommended not to bother with them or deal with them, i'm not sure if i'm gonna go and take myself down to their level and start giving them some attention, because that is what they seek, so i'm more likely not gonna respond to them as i have more important things to worry about

  9. please Brother produce videos , the videos will reach to as many as possibsle

  10. Thank you brother for the blog , but it does not reach to many, so please brother make videos because it will reach to as many as possible.

    1. I have my own personal reasons for not making videos , sorry

  11. What i dont understand is I don't understand if Christians (Sam Shanoun, David Woods) or Jews (Pamella Geller) or whatever said Muhammad this, Muhammad that, while Bible/Torah portray Moses (the most revered figure in Judaism), David, Elijah, Jesus, Father, etc as revengeful figures.

    And since Christians believe Jesus is the Lord, and Lord in Old Testaments killed so many babies and women, therefore Christians believe Lord Jesus killed so many babies and also employed Moses, David, Saul, etc as his brutal killing instruments.


    ~~~~ MOSES ~~~~

    # He said to them, "Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor.'" So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day

    # Moses became angry with the ARMY COMMANDERS and said, “I can’t believe you let the women live! ... You must put to death every boy and all the women who have ever had sex. But do not kill the young women who have never had sex. You may keep them for yourselves.

    # Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses. The spoil that remained of the plunder which the fighting men had gathered was 675,000 sheep, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys,and 32,000 young women who had never had sexual intercourse with a man.

    # So Moses ordered Israel’s judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor.. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the MANS’s body and into the WOMAN’s STOMACH. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died.

    ~~~~ DAVID ~~~~

    # So David made a name for himself when he returned from killing 18,000 Arameans in the Valley of Salt.14He put garrisons in Edom. In all Edom he put garrisons, and all the Edomites became servants to David. And the LORD helped David wherever he went.

    # And when the Syrians of Damascus came to succour Hadadezer king of Zobah, David slew of the Syrians two and twenty thousand men.

    # And David smote the land, and left neither man nor woman alive, and took away the sheep, and the oxen, and the asses, and the camels, and the apparel. And David saved neither man nor woman alive

    ~~~~ JOSHUA ~~~~

    # And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe .. So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded.

    ~~~~ SAMUEL ~~~~

    # Samuel said, "As your sword has killed the sons of many mothers, now your mother will be childless." And Samuel cut Agag to pieces before the LORD at Gilgal.

    ~~~~ ELIJAH ~~~~

    # Then Elijah commanded them, “Seize the prophets of Baal. Don’t let anyone get away!” They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there.

    # And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

    # And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

  12. ~~~~ ELIJAH ~~~~

    # Then Elijah commanded them, “Seize the prophets of Baal. Don’t let anyone get away!” They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there.

    # And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

    # And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

    ~~~~ JESUS ~~~~

    # Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a SWORD. (Matthew 10:34)

    # I have come to set fire to the earth, and I only wish it were already burning (Luke 12:49)

    # Do you think I came to bring PEACE on earth? NO, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. (Luke 12:51)

    # Now, as for those enemies of mine who did not want me to be their KING, bring them here and KILL them in my presence! (Luke 19:27) (PS: In the parable of Ten Minas : Jesus is the King, and Jews are the ones who should be killed)


    # Every one that shall be found, shall be slain: and every one that shall come to their aid, shall fall by the sword. Their children will be smashed to pieces before their very eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives RAPED.

    # Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you,” says the LORD. “Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction”.

    # I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left

    # And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

    # Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

    # I also will do this unto you... You shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it."

    # And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." --

    # And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them."

    # And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend."

    # Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers."

    # I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another."
    # This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him."

  13. Converted2Islam is a blatant hypocrite and liar. Check the video showing him exposing himself:


  15. Great Rebuttal! Btw before issue #2 at the quote of Prophet Muhammad ( saw ) you wrote if you "chose" Islam and if you "chose" Judaism . It should be "choose"

    Thanks :)