Monday, October 24, 2016

Sharif Gabir and the Dunning Kruger effect, Did Muhammad plagiarized Greek embryology?

(English isn't my first language so i might make grammatical mistakes)
Introduction:
Here Sharif gets into more important matters where he attempts to claim that the claims in quranic embryology was already known, now I want to clear up some future confusion here before anyone read the article, just because I’m debunking a polemicist who is trying to show a quranic scientific error doesn’t mean I believe there is scientific miracles in the quran, all what I say is don’t misrepresent the quran, infact I consider the claim  of scientific errors more ludicrous than scientific miracles
There is literally not a single argument here that is correct (although sharif corrected in his video discretion some of his mistakes) now let us beign


@00:31 First he cites Hippocrates and he state that Hippocrates believed semen has contact with female egg to form fetus, I check his source in the description I couldn’t find the source, however I was able to access the closest possible quote from that book through quran error website (http://www.quran-errors.com/the-quran-and-semen-production.html)
“1. 1) All things are governed by law. The sperm of the human male comes from all the humour in the body: it consists of the most potent part of this fluid, which is secreted from the rest. The evidence that it is the most potent part which is secreted is the fact that even though the actual amount we emit in intercourse is very small, we are weakened by its loss. What happens is this: there are veins and nerves which extend from every part of the body to the penis. When as the result of gentle friction these vessels grow warm and become congested, they experience a kind of irritation, and in consequence, a feeling of pleasure and warmth arises over the whole body. 2) Friction on the penis and the movement of the whole man cause the fluid in the body to grow warm; becoming diffuse and agitated by the movement it produces a foam, in the same way as all other fluids produce foam when they are agitated. But in the case of the human being what is secreted as foam is the most potent and the richest part of the humour. This humour is diffused from the brain into the loins and the whole body, but in particular into the spinal marrow: for passages extend into this from the whole body, which enable the humour to pass to and from the spinal marrow. 3) Once the sperm has entered the spinal marrow it passes in its course through the veins along the kidneys (sometimes if there is a lesion of the kidneys, blood is carried along with the sperm). From the kidneys it passes via the testicles into the penis not however by the urinary tract, since it has a passage of its own which is next to the urinary tract.

Those who have nocturnal emissions have them for the following reason; when the humour in the body becomes diffuse and warmed throughout – whether through fatigue or through some other cause - it produces foam. As this is secreted, the man sees visions as though he were having intercourse, for the fluid is precisely the same as that which is emitted in intercourse. However, erotic dreams and the nature and effects of this whole complaint, and why it is a precursor of insanity, is no part of my present subject. So much then for that.

2. 1) The reason that eunuchs do not have intercourse is that their spermal passage is destroyed. This passage lies through the testicles themselves. Moreover, the testicles are connected to the penis by a mass of slender ligaments, which raise and lower the penis. These are cut off in the operation, and that is why eunuchs are impotent. In the case of those whose testicles are crushed, the spermal passage is blocked, for the testicles are damaged and the ligaments, becoming calloused and insensitive as a result of the damage, are no longer able to tighten and relax. 2) Those on the other hand that have had an incision made by the ear can indeed have intercourse and emit sperm, but the amount is small, weak and sterile. For the greater part of the sperm travels from the head past the ears into the spinal marrow; now when the incision has formed a scar, this passage becomes obstructed. In the case of children, their vessels are narrow and blocked, and therefore prevent the passage of sperm, so that the irritation cannot occur as it does in the adult. Hence the humour in the body cannot be agitated sufficiently to secrete sperm. 3) Girls while they are still young do not menstruate for the same reason. But as both boys and girls grow, the vessels which extend in the boy’s case to the penis and in the girl’s to the womb, open out and become wider in the process of growth; a way is opened up through the narrow passages, and the humour, finding sufficient space, can become agitated. That is why when they reach puberty, sperm can flow in the boy and the menses in the girl. Such is my explanation of these facts.

3. 1) The sperm is, as I say, secreted from the whole body - from the hard parts as well as from the soft, and from the total humour. This humour has four forms: blood, bile, water, and phlegm. All four are innate in man, and they are the origin of disease. (I have already discussed these forms, and why both diseases and their resolutions come from them.) I have now dealt with the subject of sperm: its origin, how and why it originates, and in the case of those who do not have sperm, why this is so; and I have dealt with menstruation in girls.

4. 1)In the case of women, it is my contention that when during intercourse the vagina receives friction and the womb is disturbed, an irritation is set up in the womb which produces pleasure and heat in the rest of the body. A woman also emits something from her body, sometimes into the womb, which then becomes moist, and sometimes externally as well, if the womb is open wider than normal. Once intercourse has begun, she experiences pleasure throughout the whole time, until the man ejaculates. If her desire for intercourse is excited, she emits before the man, and for the remainder of the time she does not feel pleasure to the same extent; but if she is not in a state of excitement, then her pleasure terminates along with that of the man. 2) What happens is this: if into boiling water you pour another quantity of water which is cold, the water stops boiling. In the same way, the man’s sperm arriving in the womb extinguishes both the heat and the pleasure of the woman. Both the pleasure and the heat reach their peak simultaneously with the arrival of the sperm in the womb, and then they cease. If, for example, your pour wine on a flame, first of all the flame flares up and increases for a short period when you pour the wine on, then it dies away. In the same way the woman’s heat flares up in response to the man’s sperm, and then dies away.”[1]
I’ve done my research and infact during that era, scientists didn’t believe that fetus is formed from semen contact with female egg, there is not a single mention of the union between seminal fluid and eggs above, how did sharif make such idiotic claim?
However, I shall return to the subject of translations that he will mention later on, I will also deal with al harith bin Kilda and his alleged school that he mentioned later in his video


@01:17
Sharif cites Aristotle, and he state that Aristotle agreed with Hippocrates in regards to the stages of embryology, but disagreed regarding the third stage being bones forming before muscles, he showed a screenshot of a text from page 26 of Aristotle book on animal parts, that reads the following “round about the bones, and attached to them by thin fibrous bands, grow the fleashy parts”
his source can’t be found, instead I found this quote in another link[2]

However, in regards to Galen I couldn’t believe what sharif did so let’s see what he did there
@01:48 he cites Galen and gives the reference to his book on semen and he quotes it as follows “The substance from which the fetus is formed is not merely menstrual blood… the two semens”
I want everyone to keep in mind the above quote, this is how Sharif misquoted Galen so let’s see the full quote

The full quote is as follows
“The substance from which the fetus is formed is not merely menstrual blood, as Aristotle maintained, but menstrual blood plus the two semens[3]

As we can see, he thinks fetus is formed out of the combination of two semen and menstrual blood
Not the combination of male semen and female egg as how sharif stated

This is both a strawman and a misquotation, why did sharif emit the part “as Aristotle maintained, but menstrual blood plus”
However, at 02:15 finally we see this missing quote mentioned as sharif state “as Aristotle maintained, but menstrual blood”
The problem here is not only again this is count as a misquotation, but for non arab speaking audience here sharif mistranslated what Galen said, as we can see he state that It’s a mix of menstrual blood, but sharif state it as “دم متجلط” literally means “blood clot” blood clot is Not a menstrual blood, how did sharif understood Galen menstrual blood in English as blood clot in Arabic?
This is why I don’t take arab ex muslims seriously who say that since they speak Arabic therefore they can be critical of the quran (example the ex muslim in his video promotion in the amazing atheist channel)
Later sharif quote “But when it has been filled with blood, and heart, brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped”
as he state this is the second stage which articulate the formation of the embryo
The problem here is this is Not what the quran describe, if the quran truly copied galled it would have used the word ملأت in meaning of filled and دم  in meaning of being filled with blood and flesh, the problem is, in the second stage, no where does the quran state it’s flesh filled with blood, the key word here is ‘Alaqa which means either something to be hanged or blood clot, nothing in relation to flesh at all, how did sharif associated that with the quran?
This is regarded in galen as the second stage not the third stage
Sharif mixed two stages he misquoted the first sentence to make it as one stage then later took the misquoted part mistranslated it as blood clot when actual it says menstrual blood, then later mentions the stage of unshaped embryo and associated it with mudga which is the third stage in the quran
(you can read Lane lexicon translation of mudgha[4])
Later sharif state that the final fifth stage is the formation of the muscles around the bones, he quotes the following “thous it (nature) cause the flesh to grow on and around the bones”
Now this is not only a strawman this is not regarded as the final stage let us explore now the third stage (I shall correct sharif later on and compare his stages of galen to his actual ones”
“The third period follows on this, when, as was said, it is possible to see the three ruling parts clearly and a kind of outline, a silhouette, as it were, of all the other parts. You will see the conformation of the three ruling parts more clearly, that of the parts of the stomach more dimly, and much more still, that of the limbs. Later on they form ‘twigs’, as Hippocrates expressed it, indicating by the term their similarity to branches.“[5]
As Galen state, this is the third stage after the second period that talks about the shape of the embryo (however I shall deal with sharif statement that the quran describe embryo as well as unshaped substance)

As we see above Galen describe what is called three ruling parts and he call them more visible than stomach, he mentioned it as the formation of limbs bones, something the quran never talked about, how is that similar to the quran in any way shape or form? Second, mugah would have been similar to the ancient Greek word ἐμβρύειον that describe the flesh of the embryo[6], however mudgah means a chewed like substance, how could mudgah be similar to the word “three ruling parts”?
I will deal with the issue of muscles being formed after the bones later on but let’s compare Galen actual stages to sharif misrepresentation of Galen

Sharif interpretation of Galen stages:
1.       the semen of men and women being nutfa
2.       blood clot
3.       unshaped piece of flesh (mudgah)
4.       bones
5.       flesh coving bones

Galen Actual stages:
1.       The first is that in which. as is seen both in abortions and in dissection, the form of the semen prevails. At this time

2.       But when it has been filled with blood, and heart, brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped yet have by now a certain solidarity and considerable size, this is the second period; the substance of the foetus has the form of flesh and no longer the form of semen.

3.       The third period follows on this, when, as was said, it is possible to see the three ruling parts clearly and a kind of outline, a silhouette, as it were, of all the other parts. You will see the conformation of the three ruling parts more clearly, that of the parts of the stomach more dimly, and much more still, that of the limbs. Later on they form ‘twigs’, as Hippocrates expressed it, indicating by the term their similarity to branches

4.       The fourth and final period is at the stage when all the parts in the limbs have been differentiated; and at this part Hippocrates the marvellous no longer calls the foetusan embryo only, but already a child, too when he says that it jerks and moves as ananimal now fully formed (Arabic `A new creation')."[7]

Now compare the above stages to sharif stages, how can they be similar?
The stages of embryo by Galen can be summarized as follows
1-it dissect as a formation from the semen that prevails
2-it will be filled with blood and heart and liver will form into an unshaped form
3-three ruling pars and outlines will form to give us limbs bones and twigs
4-the embryo is fully formed

Now let us describe the quranic stages:
1-a mixed dropped liquid of both semen of man attacked to women semen
2-a blood clot like substance will form
3- a chewed like substance will form
4-bones
5-proto muscles (not muscles but proto muscles we will talk about this)

03:13 now we shall discuss the translations of Galen works, were they translated before Muhammad? Sharif state that they have been translated by sergius of reshaina
He states that he took Galen works and other companions with him to Persia
Now here comes the most important and embarrassing part, he mentions that there he made several schools including one called jundishapur or Gundeshapur
However, did this school actually exist? Several scholars have inserted doubt into wither or not this school existed
(the following have been taken from Hamza Tzortiz article regarding Harith bin Kilda)
“An influential mythology has developed around Nestorian activity in the city of Gondeshapur [Jundishapur] in south-western Persia. According to the often-repeated legend, the Nestorians turned Gondeshapur into a major intellectual center by the sixth century, establishing what some enthusiasts have chosen to call a university, where instruction in all of the Greek disciplines could be obtained. It is alleged that Gondeshapur had a medical school, with a curriculum based on Alexandrian textbooks, and a hospital modeled on Byzantine hospitals, which kept the realm supplied with physicians trained in Greek medicine. Of greatest importance, Gondeshapur is held to have played a critical role in the translation of Greek scholarship into Near Eastern languages and, indeed, to have been the single most important channel by which Greek science passed to the Arabs. Recent research has revealed a considerably less dramatic reality. We have no persuasive evidence for the existence of a medical school or a hospital at Gondeshapur, although, there seems to have been a theological school and perhaps an attached infirmary. No doubt Gondeshapur was the scene of serious intellectual endeavour and a certain amount of medical practice —it supplied a string of physicians for the Abbasid court at Baghdad beginning in the eighth century— but it is doubtful that it ever became a major center of medical education or of translating activity. If the story of Gondeshapur is unreliable in its details, the lesson it was meant to teach is nonetheless valid.”[8]

“Jundishapur was certainly a meeting place for Arab, Greek, Syriac and Jewish intellectuals, but there is no evidence that any medical academy existed there. Only in the early ninth century did Arab–Islamic learned medicine take shape.”[9]
The scholars took it far to even doubt harith bin Kilda integrity as a doctor
“In these latter sources the information about al-Harith is fragmentary, references to his profession as a doctor are not consistent and, where they occur, tend to be incidental, and there seems to be little information about the nature of his medicine or detail about his life.”[10]

Bin Kalada was from al-Ta’if, a town which came into contact with Islam only in the 8th year of the Islamic calendar[11]

There has been some scholars I came across who even doubted if harith bin Kilda ever existed, but I don’t consider that to be highly probable

Now what about the translation. Where they actually made before the prophet time? I’ve done my own independent research on this

“the bases of translation were in the capital of the abased era Baghdad from the house of wisdom, and it’s a center where several scholars have gathered and translated several work to Arabic from wide range of non muslim works, the credit was to the Christians being able to master the Greek language and Cyrillic and the main personality was hinyan bin ishaq also known to the west as juhavintus who is a Nestorian Christian  from the south of Iraq from the town of hara, with his students he translated approximately 129 works of Galen”[12]

According to historian Donald Campbell in his book Arabian Medicine and Its Influence on the Middle Ages
“Yuhana Al-Nahawi and Haron Al-Qisis who is also the yaksandari lived at the time of Muhammad and harun gathered  thirty Cyrillic books, and they are a groups of works associated to Greek, these are called benedict haroun, and they were translated to Arabic in the year 638 A.D by the Syrian jew masir juahiri, and they were aimed at translating the first works of Greek medicine to Arabic[13]

So far we have seen that there have been evidence presented that the Greek translations could not have possibly reached Muhammad, we also need to cap with the fact that Muhammad can’t read or write so how could he read these works

I shall deal now with the issue of bones forming before the flesh, now let us examine the verse in question
“We (God) created man from a quintessence of clay. We then placed him as a nutfah (drop) in a place of settlement, firmly fixed, then We made the drop into an 'alaqah (leech-like structure), and then We changed the 'alaqah into a mudghah (chewed-like substance), then We made out of that mudghah, 'izsm (skeleton, bones), then (we shall discuss what then means here) We clothed the bones with labm (muscles, flesh), then We caused him to grow and come into being and attain the definitive (human) form. So, blessed be God, the best to create."
The development of bones here is described as osteogensis
During embryogenesis, the dermomyotome and/or myotome in the somites contain the myogenic progenitor cells that will evolve into the prospective skeletal muscle[14]
These are called proto muscles, or tissues formed before the actual development of the actual skeletal muscles, these are need to be distinct from regular muscles that are referred as laham here or flesh

During the second month the Ossification (bone formation) begins[15]

Here is a comprehensive breakdown of stages from start to muscle formation
“Week 4

At the beginning of the 4th week, the somites (4) are well formed and the neural tube is also formed but it is opened at the rostral and caudal neuropores (p. 81, fig. 5.8).
Upper limb buds become recognizable during week 4 (day 26 or 27) and the lower limb buds become present by the end of week 4 (day 28; p. 84, fig. 5.12).  The patterning of the limb development is regulated by Homeobox-containing (Hox) genes.
The upper limb buds appear low on the embryo due to the dominant development of the head and neck.
The upper limb buds form opposite the caudal cervical segments and lower limb buds form opposite the lumbar and upper sacral segments.
Limb bud (p. 366, fig. 16-2)

Each limb bud consists of a mass of mesenchyme derived from the somatic mesoderm, covered by a layer of ectoderm. At the tip of each limb bud, ectodermal cells form an apical ectodermal ridge, which promotes growth and development of the limbs in the proximo-distal axis .  Fibroblast growth factors and T-box genes (tbx-4 and tbx-5) from the apical ectodermal ridge activate the mesenchymal cells at the posterior margin of the limb bud (the zone of polarizing activity).  This causes expression of the Sonic Hedgehog gene, which controls the patterning of the limb along the anterior-posterior axis.  Expression of Wnt7 from the dorsal epidermis of the limb bud and engrailed-1 (EN-1) from the ventral aspect specifies the dorsal-ventral axis

Week 5

Bones appear during week 5 as mesenchymal condensations in the limb buds (p. 371, fig. 16-7)
Upper limbs show regional differentiation with developing hand plates (p. 367, fig. 16-3).
Week 6 (p. 354, fig. 14-14; p. 371, fig. 16-7)

Mesenchymal models of the bones in the limbs undergo chondrification to form hyaline cartilage.
The clavicle develops by intramembranous ossification and later develops articular cartilages.
The cartilage models form sooner in the upper limb than in the lower limb and in a proximodistal sequence.
Further differentiation of the limb buds during week 6 (p. 367, fig. 16-3):

Identifiable elbow and wrists regions are formed.
Hand plates develop ridges, called digital rays and these will become the future thumb and fingers. At the tip of each digital ray is a portion of the apical ectodermal ridge. It induces development of the mesenchyme into the primordia of bones. Areas between the rays contain loose mesenchyme.
Development of the lower limb buds is always slower by a few days.
Week 7

Loose mesenchyme between the digital rays break down and notches appear between the digital rays in the hand plates.
Digital rays form in the foot plate.
Ossification in the long bones begin by the end of the embryonic period (week 7). The primary centers are in the diaphyses (p. 343, fig. 14-5).
 Limb muscles are formed by myogenic precursor cells that migrate into the limb buds and differentiate into myoblasts.  They are derived from the dorsolateral muscle-forming region of the somites, an area which expresses the muscle-specific genes MyoD and myf-5.  Expression of  MyoD results from the influence of activating Wnt proteins and inhibitory BMP-4 protein.  The myoblasts form a muscle mass which divides into a dorsal (extensor) and ventral (flexor) compartments.”[16]
(from Indiana state univercity)

So as we can see, bones are formed alongside proto muscles tissues, these proto muscles then during the 7th week evolve into fully developed limbs muscles


Now let us deal with the final accusation sharif made against Keith L. Moor

Sharif state at 06:15 that Keith L. Moor state in a book he associated it to him titled “A history of embryology” that quran merely echoes or reflect previous claims of embryology

Now this is a disaster, Keith Moore didn’t auther such book, sharif falsely attributed this book to Keith Moore, I looked up this book everywhere and couldn’t find it, the closest book we have to this is A History of Embryology (1959), by Joseph Needham


In conlcustion this is another embaressing video that shows how lackluster sharif is in critical thinking and scientific learning, I’m not claiming this is a scientific miracle, but again don’t strawman the quran




[1] Hippocrates, The Hippocratic Treatises, "On Generation," "On the Nature of the Child," "Diseases IV", Translated by Walter de Cruyter, 1981, pp. 1-2.
[2] https://books.google.iq/books?id=MLbmAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA1020&lpg=PA1020&dq=round+about+the+bones,+and+attached+to+them+by+thin+fibrous+bands,+grow+the+fleshy+parts&source=bl&ots=kjRKj0Ekht&sig=u7thYdVA0IQQ1r7XIzDKqZAnFEI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjV2vXPzvHPAhVGXCwKHRquBukQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=round%20about%20the%20bones%2C%20and%20attached%20to%20them%20by%20thin%20fibrous%20bands%2C%20grow%20the%20fleshy%20parts&f=false
[3] Galen - On Semen Page.5
[4] An Arabic-English Lexicon. Librairie Du Liban. 1968. Vol. 5, page 2134
[5] Galeni de Semine (Galen: On Semen) pages 92-95.
[6] Greek-English Lexicon. 7th Edition. Harper and Brothers. 1883, page 460.
[7] Corpus Medicorum Graecorum: Galeni de Semine (Galen: On Semen) (Greek textwith English trans. Phillip de Lacy, Akademic Verlag, 1992) section I:9:1-10, pp. 92-95
[8] David C. Lindberg. The Beginnings of Western Science. University Of Chicago Press. 1992, pages, 164-165
[9] Roy Porter. The Greatest Benefit to Mankind: A Medical History of Humanity. Fontana Press.1999, page,94.
[10] The Islamic World: From Classic to Modern Times. Edited, C. E. Bosworth et al. Darwin. 1991, page 129
[11] This chapter is a Meccan which means that the verses were revealed before the migration (hijrah) to Medina. The conquest of Ta’if occurred after hijrah. The Qur’an: A New Translation. Oxford University Press. 2005, page 215
[12] The Greatest Benefit to Mankind: A Medical History of Humanity (The Norton History of Science) by roy poter, page.95
[13] Arabian Medicine and Its Influence on the Middle Ages by Donald Campbell page.47
[14] Ito, Yoshiaki. "A Systems Approach and Skeletal Myogenesis". International Journal of Genomics. Hindawi Publishing Organization
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijg/2012/759407/
[15] https://web.archive.org/web/20120301011824/http://www.nsbri.org/HumanPhysSpace/focus6/student1.html
[16] http://web.indstate.edu/thcme/duong/EMBRYOL.html

Saturday, October 8, 2016

Sharif Gabir and the Dunning Kruger effect: Sharif explains how to convert an atheist

(English isn't my first language so i might make grammatical mistakes)
At the start of the video Sharif state “if you meet an atheist anywhere in street, in youtube, in twitter, will you let him go? Will you let him remain in his “religion””?
My answer is yes, because generally even in real life among my own friends that I have some of them are atheists in both facebook and in my local aria in Iraq sharif, I’ve discussed some of them and last night I was discussing on facebook a member of a facebook group I’m part in it, he was stubborn, despite the evidence I presented he kept attacking my personality mocked me and my religion, of course not all atheists are like this and I meet handful of them, but this is just one example of why I don’t usually waste my time with atheists
@00:20 already he state we are not in the time of real islam were we kill them where ever we find them, again no true Scotsman fallacy, I don’t need to explain why this claim is ridiculous and I already made a blog responding to TMA regarding killing the innocent
He also stated that Dawah today is unlike the past where it was spread by killing, he cited no sources no references at all

The first out of five ways he supposedly state to turn an atheist to a muslim he state that you make a mistake if you tell the atheist that he doesn’t know anything about islam, because an atheist know more about religion than you do 1000x times 2000x times, now this is the primary reason why I decided to attack this video of his, not only he cited no sources or reference but also this is self-refuting, it refute his own video, why would I try to turn an atheist to a muslim if he already know about the religion more than I do?  It will be redundant and unpragmatic, infact I meet handful of atheists who left islam not for logical reasons but for emotional ones, both in skype and real life, as I had a couple of my friends telling me they left islam because they never felt it, not because they investigated it and decided upon years that it can’t be the god true religion
His evidence for such nonsense is that he stated @01:37 is that all what I know about religion I learned from books in school
The funny thing is he state a quranic verse that he mistakes it as a hadith (not sure if he is trying to be sarcastic here)
The verse is 5:101
“O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you”
He tries to explain this verse without citing a single authentic tafsir by his own, this is why sharif gabri is one of the most primitive atheists I have ever seen
But I shall explain It with sources and evidence
Some scholars went further to state that the meaning of this is that you should not ask for things related to your family history such as asking about your father and what his presence was
An evidence for this is presented in Sahih Bukhari
“Allah's Messenger () came out as the sun declined at midday and offered the Zuhr prayer. He then stood on the pulpit and spoke about the Hour (Day of Judgment) and said that in it there would be tremendous things. He then said, "Whoever likes to ask me about anything he can do so and I shall reply as long as I am at this place of mine. Most of the people wept and the Prophet () said repeatedly, "Ask me." `Abdullah bin Hudhafa As-Sahmi stood up and said, "Who is my father?" The Prophet () said, "Your father is Hudhafa." The Prophet () repeatedly said, "Ask me." Then `Umar knelt before him and said, "We are pleased with Allah as our Lord, Islam as our religion, and Muhammad as our Prophet." The Prophet then became quiet and said, "Paradise and Hell-fire were displayed in front of me on this wall just now and I have never seen a better thing (than the former) and a worse thing (than the latter).”[1]

Al-Shukani related in regards to this verse in his tafsir “you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you”
meaning don’t ask for anything that you don’t need to ask if it doesn’t involve religious matter[2]

Sharif state that an atheist read about religion from A to Z, again no sources provided
Later he tries to be cocky and laughable by making two imaginary characters just like the infamous childish attitude of TMA that I discussed (I see a common theme here among atheist youtubers) and try to cite a couple of books including Al-Dur Al-Thamina Fi Nikah Al-Samina, I’m not sure why he is citing these things
@03:05 he state the infamous argument in response to some muslims who might call an atheist “stupid” he state that atheists have higher IQ than religious people, never mind how IQ has been discovered to be an unpragmatic way to measure intelligence
This can be traced back to a study went viral on the internet titled “The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations” by Miron Zuckerman Jordan Silberman and Judith A. Hall[3]
I don’t have direct access to this study but a lot have casted doubt upon how pragmatic it’s for example Dr. William M. Briggs  stated cited an analysis date by Richard Lynn, John Harvey, and Helmuth Nyborg state the following
"Two of the most anomalous are Cuba and Vietnam, which have higher percentages disbelieving in God (40% and 81%, respectively) than would be expected from their IQs of 85 and 94 (respectively). This is likely attributable to these being former or current communist countries in which there has been strong atheistic propaganda against religious belief. In addition, it has sometimes been suggested that communism is itself a form of religion in which Das Capital is the sacred text, Lenin was the Messiah who came to bring heaven on earth, while Stalin, Mao, Castro and others have been his disciples who have came to spread the message in various countries."[4]
I’ve linked a detailed analysis of Zuckerman’s study in the footnotes
What I’m trying to point across here is that this date completely ignores many high atheist population countries with average IQ, and the fact that IQ is no longer an accurate way of measuring intelligence but let us move on

Later he rambles about how an atheist is so in deep in reading books, he wakes up reading book and feed on reading books, and reading articles and so on, this is also a generalization fallacy, as I also meet many ignorant atheists who had no idea that a thing called Islamic science exist

Later he state another path to ignore and that is the path of intimidation, which means that a muslim should Not intimidate an atheist if he wants to turn him to a muslim
Ironically through 8 years of studying islam, and late 3 years after reverting I was intimidated many times by atheists about the consequence of returning to islam or remaining a muslim, to assume again that all Dawah apologists or all muslims intimidate atheists in relations to converting them is a generalization fallacy

And this is the end of his arguments, although I ignored the one regarding evolution cause it’s not part of my tactics on debating atheists, I only response to the allegations here that is related to how I address atheists

Camel Urine Nonsense

Here I want to put to rest a famous and ridiculous nonsensical claim that muslims drink camel urine, regardless of the fact that it’s only exclusive as a tribal practice to Saudi arabia and not the rest of 50+ muslim countries around the world, but let us address this shall we, do muslims drink camel urine? Answer is no, this is a tribal practice to Saudi arabia and gulf states not muslims as a hole, but I noticed some idiotic nonsense brought to me in the past years and that feeding on feces has never been part of non muslim culture, this is empirically false, feces and more particularly animal feces has been used so many times , some might say it’s only a special case in using animal manure for farming, but it goes way beyond this, there has been many uses of animal feces, for example Premarin medication, It is used most commonly in postmenopausal women who have had a hysterectomy to treat hot flashes, and burning, itching, and dryness of the vagina and surrounding areas, this medication is extracted from urine of pregnant horses[5]
Now some might state that this is a medication and it’s a necessary process while camel urine is useless and causes infection with MERS virus (I shall address this later in this article).
Now is this true? Is it true that no non muslim culture uses animal feces as food? Like Saudi arabia? The answer is still no, infact the world most famous and expensive coffee is extracted frome animal feces
Kopi Luwak Coffee
“kopi luwak is a form of processing rather than a variety of coffee, it has been called one of the most expensive coffees in the world with retail prices reaching €550 / US$700 per kilogram, close to the €850 / US$1,100 price of Black Ivory coffee. The price paid to collectors in the Philippines is closer to US$20 per kilogram. The price of farmed (considered low-grade by connoisseurs) kopi luwak in large Indonesian supermarkets is from US$100 per kilogram (five times the price of a high quality local arabica coffee).”[6]
“The traditional method of collecting feces from wild civets has given way to intensive farming methods in which civets in battery cage systems are force fed the cherries.”[7]


Now let us address the ridicules claim that camel urine causes MERS virus in Saudi arabia, Sharif in a video of his, strawmaned world health organization and claimed that camel urine causes MERS virus, this is a strawman, in the original article cited by Sharif nowhere does WHO state that camel urine causes MERS, infact they state the causes of MERS are unknown and some speculated that infected bats caused the virus
“Source of the virus
MERS-CoV is a zoonotic virus that is transmitted from animals to humans. The origins of the virus are not fully understood but, according to the analysis of different virus genomes, it is believed that it originated in bats and was transmitted to camels sometime in the distant past.”[8]

The Camel Urine part only reads that drinking it escalate the Virus symptoms or cause more side effects, and that is it, Camel Urine Does Not Cause the virus on it self, infact if camel urine causes the virus, why aren’t camels infected with the virus themselves or carried them? And sharif claim atheists think better?


And that is it, this is how he strawmanned WHO and , I’m not stating that it’s ok to drink camel urine, all what I say is Don’t strawman WHO and don’t make idiotic claims that they don’t make



[1] http://sunnah.com/bukhari/9/17
[2] Al-Fatih Al-Qadir by Shukani vol.2 page.92
[3] http://psr.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/08/02/1088868313497266
[4] http://www.strangenotions.com/atheists-higher-iqs/
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premarin
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak
[7] Ibid
[8] http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/mers-cov/en/