(English isn't my first language so i might make grammatical mistakes)
Introduction:
Sharif Gabir as I write this
article probably have over 52k subscribers as he is one of the most growing
atheists channels on youtube, although many arab muslims have dedicated replies
to him, some are logical and some are as emotional as sharif himself, one
channel in particular have been attacking his claims one by one and it’s owned
by doctor haitham tal’at, however these videos are dedicated towards arab
muslim audience, there are no people I’m aware of that made a reply to him,
although his claims are even weaker than the masked arab
(i want to clarify that what i mean here is that sharif lack of sources and refrences in comparison to the masked arab might make the masked arab argument stronger but my point is that they *appear* weaker duo to the fact of lack of sources and the overall anecdotal theme in his videos, to me both sharif and the masked arab are equally weak and wrong)
and he cite less sources and references but of course yet again cite weak narrations without checking the sanad just like the masked arab as I demonstrated, speaking of the masked arab I’ll be returning to him after future plans and I’ll be making the final reply to him, anyways, this is as much videos I gathered for the past week as I could, some other videos have been removed for some reason, his video that contain the so called camel urine issue (which will be addressed shortly) could not be found, but I was able to found a video that contain this claim alone, not the video as a hole With this simple introduction let us proceed
(i want to clarify that what i mean here is that sharif lack of sources and refrences in comparison to the masked arab might make the masked arab argument stronger but my point is that they *appear* weaker duo to the fact of lack of sources and the overall anecdotal theme in his videos, to me both sharif and the masked arab are equally weak and wrong)
and he cite less sources and references but of course yet again cite weak narrations without checking the sanad just like the masked arab as I demonstrated, speaking of the masked arab I’ll be returning to him after future plans and I’ll be making the final reply to him, anyways, this is as much videos I gathered for the past week as I could, some other videos have been removed for some reason, his video that contain the so called camel urine issue (which will be addressed shortly) could not be found, but I was able to found a video that contain this claim alone, not the video as a hole With this simple introduction let us proceed
I have decided to address each
video in a separate article, duo to the fact that addressing all of them will
make my article large enough to be unreadable
why do
you hate Israel:?
In this video Sharif gabir
attempt to legitimize and rationalize the state of Israel and what it does to
the Palestinians
@00:36 of his video, sharif
starts with the same old argument that Israel is more legit because they were the
original owners of the lands (supposedly) he cited no sources no references but
let’s ignore that, the twist here is that he switched it around and stated “let
us assume that Palestinians are the original owners so the are the legit owners
of the land (although this is a non sequitur fallacy but let us proceed) so whenever
a force come and invade it then this is occupation” now let us assume this is
correct for a second and that Palestine is not the original owner of the land,
this argument is actually self-refuting, because the Canaanites were the
original owners of the land [1]before
Israel took it from them, even the god of the bible told the jews to kill the
Canaanites
"destroyed with the sword
every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and
donkeys" [2]
Joshua fought against them and
took the land we call Israel now from them, so by Sharif’s logic the Canaanites
should take their lands back, of course, thanks to Israel the Canaanites no
longer exist (or as I assume them to be)
@00:57 of his video Sharif state
that he discovered Egypt to be also conquered by Arabs, he cite the conquest of
‘Amr bin al-‘as as evidence for his claim, he claim that Egypt was not conquered
before by any force, he state that we learned it to be a conquest to liberate
Egypt since they were occupied, but in
reality they were not they were Copts (as he claim) but let’s fact check this
claim, was Egypt free before ‘Amr bin Al-as conquest from any empire or force?
The answer is surprisingly no
Egypt was under the providence of
a byzantine empire with the governor residing in Alexandria, although they were
Christians, the inhibitors of Egypt were monophysite unlike the Melkite Byzantines
who regarded them as heretics, the difference is they think jesus was divine, while
the Byzantines believed he was both human and divine, in result they suffered persecutions
and religious discrimination at the hands of their rulers (referring to the Byzantines)
while also burdened with heavy taxation to defray the expenses of constant
warfare between the Byzantines and rivals outside, so far that there was even
Greek presence there, the battle between arabs and Byzantines took place in
Heliopolis, the agreement between the Egyptians and the arabs read as the
following ” ‘In the
name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, this is the amnesty granted to
the people of Egypt, to their religion, their goods, their churches and crosses,
their lands and waters, nothing of which shall be touched or seized from them”[3]
Of course they had to pay jizyah
tax (I might dedicate a future article in relations to this issue)
The Byzantine emperor repudiated
the treaty between the Arabs and the Egyptians, but the local Coptic governor
joined with Amr ibn al-As, the commander in chief of the Arab forces and the
new governor of Egypt, against the Byzantines and in favour of the treaty.
By 641 Byzantine attempts to recapture Egypt had failed and the whole of
Egypt was incorporated within the expanding Arab empire. The majority
of the population remained Christian and retained their own language, so that
the process of Arabization and Islamization that eventually took place was to
take several centuries, Amr, the new governor of Egypt, ruled justly and
efficiently[4]
To claim that there was no nation
imperlizing Egypt before amr bin al-ass is a false assumption that fails in the
face of growing evidence
for more information on the arabs
and the conquest of Egypt please read Cambridge University Press A History of Egypt: From the Arab
Conquest to the Present article, linked in the endnotes
@01:52 of his video Sharif brings
quite of a dangerous and crazy example, he state that Palestine were not civilized
during their times, and not as modern as japan and United states, and was still
poor third world country, let’s ignore this for a second, he state that if you
have someone with a mic but who can’t speak and can’t use it, but another
person can use the mic (the mic in this case is the example of the land)
according to his logic, Israel can use the mic (the land) better than the Palestinians,
therefore Israel is legit owner, this is a non sequitur and a very dangerous
idea, I shall provide an example of my own to refute it but let us apply it to
the real world, now go to every non-muslim poor third world country, by this
logic we are more legitimized to conquer them and take their lands because we
can use it better and build better cities, how can anyone accept such
imperialist propaganda? How can his fans agree with such dangerous assumption,
he is basically saying it’s ok to imperialize a land and take it because the
original owners were poor and didn’t utilize it better?
Now as for my example, let’s
imagine you have two neighbors , one is a scientist (this example will be
applicable to the future argument of Israel being superior in scientific
research than Palestine) and the other one was a poor man, the scientist was a
horrible monster, he beat up this poor man and killed his children and torture
his wife , now let me ask you this, does this mean we should allow that
deleterious neighbor to live alongside that poor man and torture him forever simply
because that man is important? Or shall we put him in trials and judge him on
his crimes?
@03:10 he said “but if you come
and look at it from logical point of view and not emotional” yes Sharif,
logical, it’s logical to allow a murderer to live simply because he is
important right?
@03:33 he cites a ridicules video
by cbn state the following
“Israel was recently ranked the
fourth most innovative nation in the world. From the iPhone to the Playstation,
the ideas behind many of your favorite gadgets came from inventors here in
Israel.
* Flip-top cell phones
* Keyboards for smart phones
* Intel Pentium chips
* The ability to print straight
from your computer
* The flash drive
* The chip in the iPad
* The operating system that runs
the Amazon Kindle
* The chip that controls the Sony
Playstation.
* The 3D sensor in Xbox Kinect
gaming systems”[5]
There are no sources no reference
to any of the claims above apart from the flash drive and Epilator who are true
Israeli inventions, however the list above by CBN is nothing but pure
propaganda, but let’s ignore it even if it was true
However, this is a strawman to
many arguments brought by pro Palestinians such as myself, we are not saying
Israel should stop all it’s activity and leave, we are proposing two state and
one state solution to solve the issue, only fundamentalist propose the removal
of Israel
@04:19 Finally we get to enter
the core argument of the Israel and Palestinian conflict, he state that this is
not because of the people of palatine, but because of hamas, is it?
(Jerusalem) – Israel’s new law
regulating nongovernmental organizations targets human rights organizations and
other groups that criticize the government with onerous reporting requirements
about donations from foreign governments. The law, written in a way to exempt
many organizations that support government policies and settlement activities,
including those that receive foreign private donations, sets back freedom of
association in Israel.[6]
1-ISRAELI OCCUPATION IS ILLEGAL:
Laws Violated: U.N. Charter,
Article 2(4) & 51 (1945); Declaration on Principles of International Law
Concerning Friendly Relations…, Principle 1
(1970).
Israeli Actions: It is illegal
under international law to acquire land by force: Israel annexed land occupied
by force during 1948 and 1967 wars (lands other than those given by the UN
1947-48 partition plan) ILRC article. Military action and occupations are legal
only if they are for self-defense, or to directly benefit the native
population. But studies show Israel is not just defending itself as it develops
de-facto annexation with its settlements and separation barrier on occupied
land, as it takes over most of the occupied territories (over 70%) and its
natural resources for its own use and economic benefit, at the expense of the
native population. ILRC article on why the Occupation is illegal
2-ILLEGAL ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS ON
OCCUPIED LAND:
Laws Violated: Geneva Conventions
IV, Article 49(6) (1949). It is illegal to colonize occupied land or transfer
non-indigenous population to that land. Israeli Actions: Immediately following
the 1967 war, Israel began building Israeli civilian settlements on Palestinian
lands, eventually building over 200 settlements throughout the occupied
territories, and settling over 450,000 Israeli civilians in them, displacing
hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians from their own legally owned
lands. In addition, Israeli citizens live in hundreds of Israeli settlements on
occupied land not originally given to them in the UN Partition Plan, displacing
hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. ILRC article
3-ILLEGAL TO TAKE LAND BY FORCE
& CLAIM SOVEREIGNTY:
Laws Violated: U.N. Charter,
Article 2(4) (1945); Declaration on Principles of International Law Concerning
Friendly Relations…, Principle 1 (1970). Israeli Actions: In violation of the
UN Partition Plan, Israel took an extra 15% of the land in 1948, and then,
following the 1967 war, Israel confiscated East Jerusalem and the Golan
Heights. ILRC article.
4-ILLEGAL ISRAELI PRACTICE OF
ETHNIC CLEANSING:
Laws Violated: Forbidding
civilian populations the right to return to their homes following the end of
armed conflict is in direct violation of international law and UN resolutions.
Geneva Convention IV, Articles 45, 46 & 49 (1949), UN resolutions 194 (III)
(General Assembly; 1948) & 237 (Security Council; 1967). Israeli Actions:
Since 1910, in different ways, the Zionists and then Israel have taken Palestinian
lands, forced native populations from their land, and then refused the
Palestinian landowners or tenants’ residency or employment on them. Following
fighting in 1948 and then again in 1967, Palestinian civilians who wished to
return to their homes in Israel and the Occupied Territories were forbidden
re-entry (“right of return”), confining them to increasingly smaller areas of
Israel and Occupied Territories. The Israeli government enacts laws, and
employs its military to keep approximately 750,000 Palestinian Arab civilians
from returning to their homes following the end of fighting both in 1948 and in
the occupied territories in 1967. Israel then violates UN resolutions ordering
them to respect Palestinians’ right to return to their homes. See the ILRC
article on Right of Return and ILRC article on Ethnic Cleansing.
4-ISRAELI APARTHEID SYSTEM IS
ILLEGAL:
Laws Violated: International
Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (1976).
Link to our fact sheets on Israeli Apartheid. Israeli Actions: The State of
Israel has a formal system of legalized discrimination against Palestinian
Arabs which technically fits the official UN definition of Apartheid. ILRC
article. Israel’s society-wide system of discrimination and isolation of the
Palestinian people within Israel, and its system of exploitation, oppression
and isolation in the occupied territories, fits exactly the official, legal UN
definition of apartheid, which is considered to be a crime against humanity.
The practice of passing laws which give special favor throughout Israeli
society to the Jewish people over all other people, and especially the native
Palestinian Arab people, embodies the UN definition of apartheid, which is
giving special favor to one group of people above all other groups based on
criteria like what religion they are. Another example is in 2003, the Israeli
legislature (Knesset) passed legislation that forbade spouses of Arab-Israeli
citizens who are in the occupied territories from joining their families in
Israel (with some exceptions). The reason for this legislation is to help
maintain the Jewish demographic majority family unification. The racist nature
is evident in that only Palestinians (no other ethnic groups) are not forbidden
to live in Israel after marrying an Israeli. ILRC article. General article.
Amnesty International argues that this law violates fundamental principles of
equity, human dignity and personal freedom enshrined in basic law as well as
the rights of the child to live with both parents and other fundamental rights
enshrined in human rights treaties in which Israel is a signer. ILRC article on
Israeli Apartheid
for sources of all above
citations please read the following article in regards to Israel violations of
humans rights
I shall leave you with this major
work of humans rights watch, a 170 pages explaining Israel violations of basic
humans rights[7]
Now for the sake of brevity, let’s
move to the next point
@04:57-07:18 Sharif argues and
rambles about how Israel is important he goes as to mention the scientific
research capacity of Israel, the military industry complex, the drug manufacturing
capacity, the education system, farming system, and overall how civilized Israel
is, I’m not sure what he is advocating with these rambling, but let us go back
to my example
“let’s imagine you have two neighbors,
one is a scientist (this example will be applicable to the future argument of
Israel being superior in scientific research than Palestine) and the other one
was a poor man, the scientist was a horrible monster, he beat up this poor man
and killed his children and torture his wife, now let me ask you this, does
this mean we should allow that deleterious neighbor to live alongside that poor
man and torture him forever simply because that man is important? Or shall we
put him in trials and judge him on his crimes?”
Now basically according to the
example above in relations to all Israel violations of basic human rights and
dignity, we should allow them to continue their occupations and discrimination
simply because of their advancements in science and education
@07:20 Sharif start with the
argument relating to the treatment of women in Egypt, he state that Israel is
the safest place in the middle east for a girl to live, he cited NO sources no references
for any of his claims at all, his only source, seriously his only source for
this is a random video of how police treat women in Egypt
What makes it so damning is that
Israel Times admitted by it’s own that Israel singled out at UN for women’s
right violations
“Israel’s UN Ambassador Ron
Prosor denounced the resolution saying it was further proof of the UN’s bias
against Israel, as it was the only country singled out by the 45-member
commission.
“If anyone has ever doubted that
the UN is biased against Israel, today we got further proof. Of the 193 member
states in this institution, dozens slaughter innocent civilians and impose
discriminatory laws that marginalize women and yet they all get a free pass.
The Commission on the Status of Women itself includes some of the worst
violators of human rights, as Iran and Sudan,” he said.”[8]
“While we've been distracted by
alarmism over newly elected Islamist leaders enforcing hijabs and bikini bans
in the Arab world, Israel is already embroiled in attempts to rein in this
unruly matter of female "immodesty".
Last week, Israel's Haaretz
newspaper reported on businesses in the southern town of Sderot signing up to a
"dignified" dress code – whereby female employees must be
"modestly" clothed. So far 20 stores have adopted this long-sleeves directive,
initiated by a religious group which says it did not actively threaten to
boycott non-signatory shops – but which, nonetheless, has considerable buying
power. Not surprisingly, the women subjected to this new code have described it
as religious coercion.”[9]
Even before the state of Israel
was created, there were women fighting for women's rights in the land that
became the state of Israel, for example women in the New Yishuv. Yishuv is the
term referring to the body of Jewish residents in Palestine before the
establishment of the state of Israel, and New Yishuv refers to those who began
building homes outside the Old City walls of Jerusalem in the 1860s. In 1919
the first nationwide women's party in the New Yishuv (the Union of Hebrew Women
for Equal Rights in Eretz Israel) was created, and Rosa Welt-Straus, who had
immigrated there that year, was appointed its leader, as which she continued
until her death[10]
To claim that there was NOT a
SINGLE violation of human rights in Israel, is a claim backed up by no evidence
at all
@09:18 he states that the arab
nations are the most major violators of humans rights in the world, He cited no
sources no evidence for such claim, the Only evidence he has for such claim is
Saudi Slave market being only illegal to 1962
And that is it, that is his
evidence, a generalization fallacy, where he states that since saudi arabia
had slave market in 1962 therefore all arab nations are to be blamed
Conclusion:
we reach the conclusion that Sharif establish no moral ground, he made insane and an unbelievable claim that as long as you are a scientist and important individual, a civilized man, you can have any land you want, this is the crazy and the sick mentality that the Zionist have and will always teach in their hesbra industry
we reach the conclusion that Sharif establish no moral ground, he made insane and an unbelievable claim that as long as you are a scientist and important individual, a civilized man, you can have any land you want, this is the crazy and the sick mentality that the Zionist have and will always teach in their hesbra industry
[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan
[2]
http://biblehub.com/joshua/6-21.htm
[3]
https://books.google.iq/books?hl=en&lr=&id=xhpfWRp-BL0C&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=amr+ibn+al-as+Muhammadan+architecture+in+Egypt+and+Palestine&ots=lBEdIapezf&sig=3dfZKe-2eYIu6ruhXWxufSOXxFM&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
[4]
http://www.beck-shop.de/fachbuch/leseprobe/9780521700764_Excerpt_001.pdf
[5]
http://www1.cbn.com/700club/made-israel-technology
[6]
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/07/13/israel-law-targets-human-rights-groups
[7]
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/report_pdf/israel0116_web.pdf
[8]
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-singled-out-at-un-for-womens-right-violations/
[9]
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/dec/23/israel-treatment-women-democracy
[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Israel#Women.27s_rights
Why didn't sharif gabir mention the fact that Israel is only successful because of the foreign aid it gets? They weren't able to produce anything themselves if the Americans and other countries didn't aided them. And how did he forget that Arabs especially, out of all races protected the Jews and took them in whenever a European nation kicked them out? And why also not mention the Jewish golden age on spain due to the Arabs protection? In which they were shortly kicked out from it after the and Arabs were exiled? Why didn't he mention the fact that most of Israeli citizens came AFTER 1948? Meaning that they weren't there to begin with let alone claim something they don't have the right to? Seriously, this Sharif Gabir guy is a fucking idiot, I am not Muslim myself by the way, so I am not biased or anything. This guy seriously have a retarded way of thinking, just look at his video on the school system. Everyone is calling him out on his stupidity. Sad thing, you get any attention you want when you say you're an Arab atheist, no matter how stupid you are, as long as you speak against religion, you get the attention you don't deserve - coming from an Arab atheist myself.
ReplyDeleteRightfully said, his confirmation bias is his daming
DeleteIts wrong to label the "Golden age" as something the Arabs were solely responsible for. Im muslim but not arab and jus wanna give a heads up that the golden age is normally referred to as the Golden age of Islam where muslim armies and empires were at their might and truly applied principles of Islam in war time and in their treatment of others. Just felt like pointing this out since Islam is not just comprised of arabs. Otherwise agree with you.
DeleteI’m currently in Egypt
ReplyDeleteI cant make any new posts at the moment so its going to take some time for me to come back and make more posts