The Religion of Peace and the Dunning-Kruger Effect the Banu Nadir Incident

Introduction:

my apologies for not posting any articles, i decided to divide my work here and post several articles instead of jamming them into one, to keep my posting consistent, however the major article that will gather all my work on section one to TROP will be posted in DTT nevertheless I have decided to gather a number of articles into one large response, this will be repeated 3 more times since TROP dedicated 3 sections with subarticles in them to address DTT, in the near future I shall address TROP more times but with random articles picked by me, I will also accept recommendations to what articles on TROP I have to respond to by audience so long as I didn’t already address it before like pedophilia for example

The Banu Nadir Incident

“The Sira tells us that the Banu Nadir was one of three Jewish tribes at Medina which were expelled or massacred at Muhammad's direction.  In the case of the Nadir, they were robbed of their wealth and evicted.  Some leaders were even murdered.”

the right off the bat we have a statement with no clear evidence or direct sources, although we will come to them later on, still it’s important even as opening statement for your hypothesis you still need to provide evidence when you make arguments like these

“In order to justify this, DTT contends that the Banu Nadir had given information to the Quraish enemy and also attempted to assassinate Muhammad by dropping a rock on him.”

let us proceed through their “refutation” to DTT

“Discover the Truth goes into great detail about the Banu Nadir telling the Quraish "the weak spots of the Muslims in battle... where the Muslims were, where to attack, and where to hide, lay in wait to kill the Muslims" (although this seems to have completely eluded the early Sira and Hadith compilers).

Only two references are provided by DTT from established sources: Abu Dawud and Ibn Ishaq.  Neither one mentions information being sent to the Quraish.  Ishaq makes a reference to an assassination plot (more on that later), but the Sahih hadith verse makes no mention of either a plot or information passed from the Nadir to the Quraish.“

this is unbelievably deceptive at best, a quick search in Sunnah.com will easily put this claim to rest, here in this entire response by TROP there is literally no citation of DTT sources to confirm this claim, and no direct citation to DTT article regarding Banu nadir at all, in fact, this entire section in response to Banu nadir incident by TROP has literally no source no link no footnote no citation at all, this entire section or “response” can be easily ignored and in fact one of the weakest “responses”  I have ever seen by anyone

let us examine DTT article, he in fact dedicated 3 articles here in response to Banu Nadir

“As already mentioned, the Quraish had sent to the Jews of the Banu Nadir to kill Muhammad (p) or they would themselves be exterminated. The Banu Nadir being already hostile, this message from the Quraish served as an impetus. They invited the Prophet to come with thirty men to meet their religious scholars, promising that if on hearing him, the divines would declare him to be true, they would not hesitate to accept him as a Prophet.”

DTT provide a hyper link here :

https://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=19&translator=3&start=0&number=2998#2998

I shall leave a link were DTT provide detailed analyses with sources regarding Banu Nadir treachery

https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/03/10/analysing-the-banu-nadir-incident/

what makes it so ironic here is that they accuse DTT of not providing evidence when they were guilty of the same issue in their own opening statement

but since I’m addressing TROP here I will comment and respond to each “response” they had

“A laughable account from al-Waqidi's Kitab al-Maghazi contradicts the rest and has thirty Jews trying to assassinate Muhammad with concealed daggers.  It's one more reason why al-Waqidi is dismissed as a fabricator.  “

citation needed

where is Al-Waqidi account? where are your sources? didn’t you accuse DTT of not providing sources for their arguments, but here this is the second time you make arguments with no proof

“The Banu Nadir were evicted following the Muslim defeat at Uhud, when Muhammad would have been angry and looking for a way to save face with his cult-like band of believers.”

citation needed, this is the third time they make arguments with no proof

“There are two stories of the Banu Nadir incident.  One mentions the alleged assassination attempt and the other does not.  Neither account says that the Banu Nadir attacked Muhammad or assisted the enemy against him.  A Sahih verse from Abu Dawud simply says that the Quraish sent a letter to the Nadir tribe, attempting to recruit them.  “

citation needed, this is the forth time they make arguments with no proof

but nevertheless this laughable at best, We do have an account directly saying Banu nadir attacked the prophet

“Ibn ‘Umar said “The Jews Al Nadir and Quraizah fought with the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ), so the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) expelled Banu Al-Nadir and allowed the Quraizah to stay and favored them. The Quraizah thereafter fought (with the Prophet).” So he killed their men and divided their women, property, and children among Muslims except some of them who associated with the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ). He gave them protection and later on they embraced Islam. The Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) expelled all the Jews of Madeenah in Toto, Banu Qainuqa, they were the people of ‘Abd Allaah bin Salam, the Jews of Banu Harith and any of Jews who resided in Madeenah.”[1]

it's important to understand that “fought with” here doesn’t mean that they fought alongside him as allies, no, they fought against him as Arabic text clearly state

"حاربو رسول الله"

meaning they directly fought Allah apostle

if this is not good enough being from Sunan Abu Dawood, we have an account from the second most authentic source after Bukhari, Sahih Muslim

“It has been narrated on the authority of Ibn Umar that the Jews of Banu Nadir and Banu Quraiza fought against the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who expelled Banu Nadir, and allowed Quraiza to stay on, and granted favour to them until they too fought against him Then he killed their men, and distributed their women, children, and properties among the Muslims, except that some of them had joined the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who granted them security. They embraced Islam. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) turned out all the Jews of Medina. Banu Qainuqa' (the tribe of 'Abdullah b. Salim) and the Jews of Banu Haritha and every other Jew who was in Medina.”[2]

This is like hitting two birds with one stone, not only we have an authentic account here saying Banu nadir attacked the prophet, but also a mention of Banu qurayza (we will address them later) directly mentioned ass aggressors who attacked the prophet as well

“The hadith clearly shows that the Banu Nadir were caught between the Quraish and Muhammad.  They had lived peacefully in Medina well before he arrived and brought his feud with him.  The Nadir were repeatedly threatened by the Quraish for having given shelter to someone who had declared war on the Quraish.  In one case Muhammad talked them out of defending themselves by assuring them that they were safe:

The infidels of the Quraysh wrote (a letter) to Ibn Ubayy and to those who worshipped idols from al-Aws and al-Khazraj, while the Messenger of Allah...

(They wrote): You gave protection to our companion. We swear by Allah, you should fight him or expel him, or we shall come to you in full force until we kill your fighters and appropriate your women.

When this (news) reached Abdullah ibn Ubayy and those who were worshippers of idols, with him they gathered together to fight the Messenger of Allah.

When this news reached the Messenger of Allah, he visited them and said: "The threat of the Quraysh to you has reached its end. They cannot contrive a plot against you, greater than what you yourselves intended to harm you...

When they heard this from the Prophet, they scattered. This reached the infidels of the Quraysh. The infidels of the Quraysh again wrote (a letter) to the Jews after the battle of Badr: You are men of weapons and fortresses. You should fight our companion or we shall deal with you in a certain way. And nothing will come between us and the anklets of your women. (Abu Dawud 2998)”

finally we actually have a source here

they cited Abu Dawood, but there is only one problem here, this hadith is Not authentic as we have seen when we addressed the masked Arab before, this hadith is regarded as “Sahih in Chain”

I shall give a link to my article addressing what Sahih in Chain really is and how authentic it's going to Issue #7

“These are not the actions of a man of peace, but one who craves power and material possessions.  Once the situation with the Quraish was dealt with, Muhammad turned right around and attacked the Banu Nadir again until they were defeated and expelled.  Nothing is said about treachery - on the part of the Nadir, at least.  Clearly, the Jewish tribe was the one being forced to act in self-defense.  “

what a laughable statement, after what we saw, your only one sources turned out to be nothing but a weak fabrication, a simple look at their source will put any claim they make here to rest, TROP please make a better response next time

“This episode even follows the assassination of several key members of the Jewish tribe by Muhammad, including Ka'b al-Ashraf.  These would surely be called violations of the treaty had they been Muslims, but such is the double standards of Islam.  Needless to say, the Banu Nadir had every reason to doubt the wisdom of allowing Muhammad into the fold.

The supposed plot to assassinate Muhammad appears in the Sira, but not in the Hadith.  In this version of the 'incident', Muhammad goes to ask the Banu Nadir for help with paying blood money to another tribe for a member who was killed by Muslims.  This would have been a strange thing to do if the Nadir had just helped out the Quraish, as occurred in DTT's fictionalized account.”

again citation needed

what follows is the most insane sequence of event fabricated by the authors

“The sequence of events from the Sira is as follows:

    1) Muhammad goes to visit a Jewish tribe to beg for money

    2) Muhammad learns of an assassination plot... from an angel

    3) Muhammad convinces his tribe to attack and evict the Banu Nadir

    4) Muhammad confiscates the wealth of the Banu Nadir tribe entirely for himself”

1-citation needed

2-citation needed

3-citation needed

4-a completely fabricated strawman fallacy

regarding sequence 4 did Muhammad really kept the wealth for himself? let’s check their own source

“The properties of Banu al-Nadir were part of what Allah bestowed on His Apostle from what the Muslims has not ridden on horses or camels to get; so they belonged especially to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who gave his family their annual contribution.

Ibn 'Abdah said: His family (ahlihi) and not the members of his houses (ahl baitihi) ; then applied what remained for horses and weapons in Allah's path.”

Muhammad Even using their own source clearly didn’t keep it for “himself” entirely, lets’ check the other sources

“Allah bestowed (the property of) Banu al-Nadir on His Apostle. I swear by Allah, he did not reserve it for himself, nor did he take it over and above you. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to his share for his maintenance annually, or used to take his contribution and give his family their annual contribution (from this property), then take what remained and deal with it as he did with Allah's property.”[3] (Sahih)

how could TROP go beyond and even misrepresent their own source and ignore others

Conclusion:

This is what we expected from TROP? This is their response to DTT? lack of credibility, fabricated sources, misrepresented sources, lack of sources, lack of citations, lack of evidence

emotional and argumentum bias

if this is the start of the first section I wonder what they will fabricate next

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[1] https://sunnah.com/abudawud/20/78

[2] https://sunnah.com/muslim/32/73

[3] https://sunnah.com/abudawud/20/36