The Qur’an not preserved? Part-2

Please read Part-1 this is a continues work of it Again as I said the sources I’m citing here are originally Arabic sources I translated both the responses and the accusations to English

{11035-From Hudaifa said: The Surah that you are calling Surah Al-Taubah is Surah Al- ʿAḏab and they were not reading from it except for quarter of it}[1]

In the bottom of Footnotes (Al-Tabarani in Al-Awsat said: the hadith was not told of Umar Ibn Saaed Except from Ibrahim Ibn Tahman and Not from Ibrahim But from Numan Ibn Abd Al-Salam, Ibrahim Ibn Abi Swaid was singled out with it And Ibrahin Ibn Abi Swaid is Ibrahim Ibn Al-Fadil or Ibn Ishaq Al-Bukḫari said: his Hadith is denied and Al-Nisai said: he is not trusted and his Hadiths is not to be written)

So this accusation of Al-Tabarani who made the accusation against this narrator

{Ahmed Told us said: Muhammad Ibn Yazid Al-Asfati said: Ibrahin Ibn Abi Swaid told us said: Numan Ibn Abd Al-Salam from Ibrahim Ibn Tahman from Umar Ibn Saaed From Al-Aʿmash from ʿUmro Ibn Marwa From Abdullah Ibn Salama From Hudaifa said: The Surah that you are calling Surah Al-Taubah is Surah Al- ʿAḏab and they were not reading from it except for quarter of it

This the hadith was not told of Umar Ibn Saaed except from Ibrahim Ibrahim Ibn Abi Swaid was singled out with it}[2]

Another source for the alleged hadith is from

{30898-Ibn Mahdi and Qabisa From Sufian From Asim From Zir From Hudaifa said: Surah Al-Taubah and its Surah Al-Asab means (Innocence)}[3]

{3334-Ali Ibn Hamshath Al-Adil Told us Muhammad Ibn Mugira Al-Yashkiri Told us Kasim Ibn Al-Hakam Al-ʿirni Told us Sufian Ibn Saaed told us from Al-Aʿmash Ibn Abdullah Ibn Mura From Abdullah Ibn Salama(focus on this name) From Hudaifa said: you onlu Read Qurater of it and it was called Surah Al-Taubah and it’s Surah Al- ʿAḏab

This hadiths is sahih al-sanad Bu Bukḫari and Muslim didn’t bring it}[4]

But this hadith is not Sahih in sanad

{Abdullah Ibn Salama his student Umro Ibn Mura said: we used to know him and we heard from him reports but we deny him}[5]

Let’s see him even deeper and cost further criticism on him

{285-Abdullah Ibn Salama…… Abudawood from Shuʿba from Umro Ibn Mara: Abdullah Ibn Salama used to tell us narrations and we deny it and he grow up his hadith is not to be followed}[6]

{Abdullah Ibn Salama

From Umro Ibn Mara we used to know him and we heard from him reports but we deny him}[7]

Now some might say “will some scholars said it’s Sahih one of them Ibn Hajar Al-Askalani” let us see what he said

{The Prophet (ﷺ) did not leave except what is between the bindings (of the Qur'an(

(Says at the bottom) This translation was set and written to respond to anyone who say that many of the Quran has been lost for the loss of its memorizers and this is something that was invented by the Rafida(shias) }[8]

Al-Bukḫari Already Knew about these accusations that the Quran lost several parts of it and he made this section as a response to it Al-Bukḫari over a thousand years ago already respond to this accusation put forth by Christian missionaries and Orientalists

He was born from 194-256 Hijria

{Ibn Hajar Al-Askalani said : and it was left on the hand of Al-Ismaili (nothing was left except it was put and written in this Mushaf  means he never left what was recited in the Quran Except that he put it in the Mushaf…….(on the bottom he says) and what backs this claim up is what is what was authenticated from the sahaba from saying things in the Quran that was later Abrogated and its ruling was left or it didn’t like the hadith “the Shiekh and Shiekha if they committed zina then stone them” (the stoning hadith) and hadith Anas in the story of the Qura (reciters) who were killed in Maʿona Well then Allah brought on them a verse (tell our people about us we have met our Creator) And the Hadith of Abi Ka’ab (Al-Ahzab was as big as Baqara) And the hadith of Hudaifa (they only read Qurater of it) means Al-Baraa and all of it are Sahih hadiths and Ibn Tharis brought in his hadith from hadith Ibn Humar (that he hated when a man says “I read the whole Quran” and said that some of it was removed” and none of that contradicts the hadith Because all of that was Abrogated at the TIME of the prophet (Peace be Upon him)}[9]

All of these Alleged Hadiths that we used from the hadith of stoning to that they only read Quarter of it All of that was abrogated at the time of the prophet NOT that these verses were lost after the prophet

In case if this is still unbelievable Let us read it directly from Bukḫari:

{Narrated `Abdul `Aziz bin Rufai':

Shaddad bin Ma'qil and I entered upon Ibn `Abbas. Shaddad bin Ma'qil asked him, "Did the Prophet (ﷺ) leave anything (besides the Qur'an)?" He replied. "He did not leave anything except what is between the two bindings (of the Qur'an)." Then we visited Muhammad bin Al-Hanafiyya (Imam Ali Ibn Abi Talib) and asked him (the same question). He replied, "The Prophet (ﷺ) did not leave except what is between the bindings (of the Qur'an).}[10]

Another allegation goes on as follow:

{Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said:

You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used to recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practice" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection"}[11]

Answering Islam also mention it[12]

However this is not an indication that these verses was lost actually this is an indication that it was abrogated

{When they say (We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it) Means this is a type of Abrogation from the three types of Abrogation that our scholars told us about}[13]

{One of them is the Abrogation of the ruling but the remaining of the recitation the second one is the opposite and the third one is the abrogation of both ruling and recitation and it’s the abrogation of these two Suras that Abu Musa mentioned and that its ruling and recitation was abrogated……….and these two Suras is from the Allah’s willing that he reveal them and then abrogate them and that because Allah does what he wants to do and capable of anything because all of that is possible and no one with the delusion that this is an indication that many of the Quran has been lost is Right because this is false by the evidence of Allah Words “We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)" and that the Ijma of the Sahaba and after them agreed that the Quran we used to recite and worship with it and use its rulings is the one that is between the bindings and no extra part was add and no part was removed as we said is Usol Al-Fiqh}  [14]

But did Al-Qurtobi said that and he was the only one to make this claim?

No let’s see another example

{(We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it) this is about what is abrogated from the Recitation….that because Allah cause these people to forget it and remove it from there hearts And that was Especially at the time of the prophet and nothing was abrogated after that}[15]

{And we also said in it the types of abrogation and that is Quran of what the Quran Rulling was abrogated and the recitation is still there and we brought an example also on what it’s rulling and recitation was abrogated

And like this an example of Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said:

You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used to recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practice" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection"}[16]

So only Al-Bayhaqi and Al-Sayouti said that? NO, another one said that

{Section: In Abrogation and removing from what’s in the hearts

And Abu Harb Ibn Abi Aswad From his Father From Abi Musa said: We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used to recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practice" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection"}[17]

So as we can see he puts it on the section of abrogation

Another allegation goes as follow:

{A’ishah said “In what was sent down in the Qu’ran ten suckling’s made marriage unlawful, but they were abrogated by five known ones and when the Prophet (ﷺ) dies, these words were among what was recited in the Qur’an.”}[18]

But Aisha didn’t receive that this verse was abrogated before the death of the prophet

{{In what was sent down in the Qu’ran ten suckling’s made marriage unlawful, but they were abrogated by five known ones and when the Prophet (ﷺ) dies, these words were among what was recited in the Qur’an.”(Footnote 1)}[19]

{Footnote 1: Means that some people read “five suckling” and make it a recited Quran because Abrogation didn’t reach it, and when abrogation reached it it’s recitation was abrogated but not the ruling and this is one of the three types of abrogation}[20]

if Aisha remained silent on this issue this is an indication that she knew the verse was abrogated

End of Part-2

More to come

[1] Al-Haithami Majmoʿ  Al-Zawaid Wa Manbaʿ Al-Fawaid Vol (7) Page.102

[2] Al-Muʿjam Al-Awsat By Imam Al-Tabarani Vol(2) Page.85 Dar Al-Haramain Edition

[3] Al-Musanaf by Ibn Abi Shaiba Vol (15) Page.553 Dar Al-Qibla Edition and Muwasasa Ulom Al-Quran

[4] Al-Mustadrak Ala Al-sahihain By Imam Al-Hakim Vol(2) Page.392  Dar Al-Haramain Edition

[5] Ibid

[6] Al-Tarikh Al-Kabir By Imam Al-Bukhari Section 1 of Vol(3) Page.99

[7] Al-Kamil Fi Duafa Al-Rijal By Imam Ibn Adi Vol(5) Page.279  Dar Al-kutob Al-ilmia

[8] Fatih Al-Bari Fi Sharih Sahih Al-Bukhari By Imam Ibn Hajar Al-Askalani Vol (11) Page.251 Dar Tiba Edition

[9] Ibid Page.253

[10] Sahih al-Bukhari 5019 Book 66, Hadith 41 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 61, Hadith 537

[11] Sahih Muslim 1050 Book 12, Hadith 156 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 5, Hadith 2286

[12] http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/forgot.htm

[13] Al-Mufhim Limaushkila fi talkhis Muslim By Imam Al-Qurtobi Vol (3)  Page.93 Dar Ibn Kathir and Dar Al-Kalima Al-Taib Edition

[14] Ibid Page.94

[15] Al-Debaj Ala Sahih Muslim Ibn Al-Hajaj By Imam Al-Sayuti Vol (3) Page.129 Dar Ibn Afan Edition

[16] Dalail Al-Nubowa By Imam Al-Bayhaqi Vol (7) Page.156 Dar Al-kutob Al-ilmia Edition

[17] Tarikh Al-Islam by Imam Shams Al-Dean Al-Dahabi Vol (2) Page.411   Dar Al-Kitab Al-Arabi Edition

[18] Sunan Abi Dawud 2062 Book 12, Hadith 17 English translation: Book 11, Hadith 2057 Grade:Sahih

[19] Al-Ifahm Fi Sharih Bilug Al-Maram min Adila Al-Ihkam By Imam Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani Vol (2) Page.259 Dar Al-Asima Edition

[20] Ibid